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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Gallaway and me gatri Yan

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mascal is so famous that he's been

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played in movies and on stage many times

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over the last few years on account of

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his Central role on behalf of the

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Guardian newspaper in landing the big

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fish called Edward Snowden but today I'm

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going to talk to him about an even

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bigger fish at least as far as Britain

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is concerned by the name of stur Nicola

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sturgeon she succeeded Alex salmon but I

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better not take this watery metaphor any

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further Nicholas sturge and Scottish

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national party now stand triumphant on

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the Scottish political states and their

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main goal is the end of Britain they are

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already making waves at Westminster

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where they are the third party in

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Parliament dwarfing all the others next

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year they will seek a third term as

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Government of Scotland's devolved

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Parliament and few would bet against

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them achieving it even even with

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proportional

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representation when I first met the now

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internationally famous Yan mcll he was a

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reporter on the Scotsman and he still

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keeps a close eye on things Scottish and

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was in Scotland during the general

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election he joins us now to discuss the

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question whether calonia whether uh un

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is it uh ineluctably headed for the exit

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will Britain cease to exist as a as a

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state I think that's probably the case I

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think uh we're much closer to that than

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we were a year ago uh even in spite of

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the referendum result the SNP seem to be

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in a win-win situation they're sitting

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at Westminster anything that goes wrong

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any Cuts in welfare they blame the Tory

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government in Westminster having a Tory

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government at Westminster is probably a

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better result for them sure than being

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Coalition with labor they can point to

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Scots and say you stay part of the UK

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this is what you get Tor government at

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Westminster one of the worst kind of Tor

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governments elected in England of course

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because the Tories have only one mp uh

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in Scotland but even more remarkably

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much much more remarkably labber has

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only one MP now when we used to uh

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regularly talk uh at weekends just for a

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catchup when I was a Glasgow Member of

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Parliament labor was a Colossus yeah uh

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uh with 50 members of parliament and

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included in that 50 some of the biggest

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figures in British politics Robin Cook

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John Smith Donald Jer uh and many others

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now it's been virtually wiped out and I

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couldn't even name the fellow who hung

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on as the sole labor Member of

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Parliament what happened it's a really

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good question and I don't think anyone

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has a very good answer there's lots of

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different answers but not one that's

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definit of maybe the SNP were good

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outflanking labor they might position

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themselves to the left of uh labor in

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Scotland um and maybe labor in Scotland

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has been too complacent for too long um

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they took certainly the west of Scotland

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uh for granted uh a lot of people put

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into the councils and into the Scottish

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Parliament were second and third R uh

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candidates uh they didn't seem to care

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and the kind of people you spoke about

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Donald jur went back to serve in the

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Scottish Parliament but maybe they

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needed some other big figures to go back

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and serve in the Scottish Parliament as

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well the second and third Raiders must

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themselves now run the risk of being

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wiped out next year because of course

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the Scottish Parliament is elected next

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year most of them are constituency msps

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they can't really desert their

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constituency so they must stand and

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fight there uh and there must be a real

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chance that they'll be knocked out too

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the likelihood is that you know the SNP

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are going to wipe the floor with them

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you know next year uh it's hard to see a

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scenario that's going to change that

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that makes it a kind of one party State

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then doesn't it mean David Cameron's

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already said we're going to give them

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Scotland more Powers so they just take

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every concession that's going you you

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take a a little more devolved power here

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a little more devolved power there and

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then you reach a stage for Scotland will

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wake up one morning and think well we're

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almost effectively independent okay we

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might not have control over foreign

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policy or defense or immigration but

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we've got just a bit everything else so

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what's there to be scared of why not

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just go the whole hog well the that

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logic seems uh very powerful uh to me

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question I then ask you is do the SNP

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want it because of course there are

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other examples the Catalan nationalists

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for example who don't actually really

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want to leave Spain they want to get as

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many goodies and as many devolved Powers

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as they can they always kind of stop

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short of the final push is the SNP in

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that bracket or are they really going

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for it well there's two snps like oh

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most parties there factions uh there's a

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faction uh that are totally committed to

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Independence and there's others that

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think if you can create a situation

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where you get Dil Max maybe that you

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know maximum Powers short of foreign

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policy defense and immigration then most

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Scots would be satisfied with that but I

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think it's much more likely uh they will

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push for Independence they will um I

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think that this kind of sort of

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creeping uh shift towards

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independence uh you will see the polls

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maybe a year or two from now maybe it

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will be 55% in favor of yes uh

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and at that stage you could see them

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have another referendum and win it I

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could see the the Catalonia parallel is

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a good one but I think the mood is Chang

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in Scotland what's interesting is uh

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there hasn't been a poll in Independence

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since April uh so although there been

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this huge surge for the SNP we haven't

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seen no one's tested whether support for

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Independence and winning what is it

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97% of the seats or whatever is

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misleading too isn't it because they

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only got 50% of vote still a gigantic

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vote but uh it doesn't mean they've

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actually got the support of 97% of the

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people they need approximate cause to go

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for another referendum though wouldn't

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they what might that be well um I think

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you know the answer same as me uh if uh

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Cameron has a referendum on Europe um

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then you know we could use that as an

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excuse uh uh you know to trigger a

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referendum in Scotland saying you know

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the Scots are more pro-european

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uh we don't want to leave uh Europe um

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so that would be an excuse but one of

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interesting things that is that

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statistical surveys show the Scots like

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to pretend they're more pro- European

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but the statistical survey shows that

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attitudes in Scotland are basically the

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same as in England still a lot of

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skepticism there there's a lot of myths

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in Scotland we like to Pretend We're

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more uh leftwing than the rest of the

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country but I'm not never been persuaded

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by like that when I was there you were

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just talking about that this morning

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about the European Union well what their

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position would be indeed in case Cameron

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would succeed in or not succeed the

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referendum would result in an exit from

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the EU what would where would Scotland

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be left this NP would uh say we want to

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stay uh within the European Union uh we

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most of what trade there is that

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Scotland has is with uh mainly with

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Europe you apart from take whiskey out

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the equation

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um they then say we'll keep the uh we'll

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prepare to join the Euro uh so it' be a

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strange position where you have England

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with its pound and Scotland with the

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Euro I mean I know that Cameron doesn't

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want to leave the European

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Union but once a referendum gets

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underway he's no longer in control of

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that and the Press pumping out their

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europhobia and so on could actually

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happen and one of its obvious conse

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quences at the point you are making to

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me this morning that would be the excuse

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for Scotland to leave and uh Scotland

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would be accepted into the European

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Union then you'd have a small island one

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part of it in the European Union and one

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part of it not the same of course the

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same of course in IR where one part is

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and the other part would not Britain is

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a state I don't want to use the

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vernacular but it's kind of looking bust

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and if you'd ask me two years ago I'd de

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said this stuff of fantasy but it's not

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fantasy anymore but it's also a bit of a

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protest vote against labor I assume yeah

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it's um you're exactly right it's a

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anti- Westminster but it's in Scotland

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the level of disillusionment and anger

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and I said to this to labor people

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there's a real raw anger with the labor

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party in Scotland and they they they

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were disputing this they said okay

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people w't very happy but raw anger a

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bit overa it if you go in the doorsteps

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of Glasgow or peisley or even parts of

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Edinburgh as I did then it's raw anger I

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don't know why they've got this animous

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towards the labor party well the Blair

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years uh obviously have something to do

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with it uh though probably not in the

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Estates that you're talking about but

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amongst if you like the political class

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overwhelming rejection of the Blair

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formula of war and neoliberal economics

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following George Bush neocon foreign

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policy and so on none of that even

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played at the time uh before it turned

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into the huge disaster it looks today um

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but there must be something more it must

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be the spouse that was

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neglected uh and not beaten but starved

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of any real reward for their loyalty

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over a long long period and suddenly it

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flips because Scotland voted labor for

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the best part of a hundred years uh

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there was one exception in 1950 when the

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Tories were the majority party but labor

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was uh the overwhelming power in

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Scotland for all of my lifetime uh so it

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must have something to do with that

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Awakening up and realizing that actually

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we've given all this but what have we

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got um I know you you know these figures

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as well as I do uh last year during the

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referendum I spent a lot of the time in

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the East End of Glasgow and uh you can

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see you know things are better than when

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we were growing up then you look at it

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and you think and the help lot it's not

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better you know the gap between the

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those with and those without is still

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huge and the statistics for the East End

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of Glasgow are among the worst in Europe

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in terms of health and uh poverty uh and

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so you're right uh labors had huge

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number of terms in office and not never

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really addressed uh there's never been a

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crusade against the poverty of the west

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of Scotland no and Scotland has an exit

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which poor parts of England don't have

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they can't leave England although wait

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you and masal thanks very much indeed

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foot from the United States where he's

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last British hostage in guantan MO Bay

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it welcome back to Sputnik David Cameron

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now rules Britain in a majority Tory

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government so we better find out what he

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intends his former cabinet colleague

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Andrew Mitchell who joins us from a

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noble Mission as gatri just explained

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before the break is a big Tor fish and

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I'm glad to say he joins us now Andrew

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welcome to Sputnik first of all let's

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start because you're just off the plane

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how did the mission to Washington to

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free shakar Amar go well we were a

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pretty eclectic group uh Jeremy Corbin

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who's I think fairly described as a

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leftwing Firebrand David Davis from the

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right former leadership Contender me and

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Andy Slaughter the member uh for

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Hammersmith uh and we we had meetings

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both with the administration and with

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some very senior Senators including

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Senator McCain and Senator

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Feinstein uh and our point was that this

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is the last British inmate in Guantanamo

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he was cleared twice once under

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President Bush once under President

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Obama for release more than six years

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ago he has still not been released

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whereas uh others have been released to

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third countries where the Americans have

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had to pay for them to go in particular

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Uruguay and Kazakhstan and that the fact

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that he hadn't been released when the

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British prime minister had pressed in

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January for his release was a very

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serious matter and if this is how

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America treats her oldest Ally who has

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stood Four Square behind her spent our

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blood and treasure in at least two

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recent Wars then it's a very poor show

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and uh we press very hard for his

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immediate release uh I have no idea uh

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what's going to happen I think we've

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pushed it up the agenda I think the

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coverage in America which was

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uh which was good suggests that it will

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get a greater Focus but it's up to the

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American Administration the president

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can ensure it happens uh if he wishes

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and if he doesn't feel that this is a

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priority which is suppressed by other

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domestic priorities but I'm certain that

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we have advanced the date when Shaka

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Amir will be cleared for transfer back

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to the United Kingdom well more power to

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you and well done for uh trying but I

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must tell you none of that really

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computes with me because

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President Obama doesn't want Guantanamo

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he wants to close it he's busily sending

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inmates around the world his closest

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Ally in the form of the prime minister

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no less David Cameron is asking for its

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resident back and yet he can't get out

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what could conceivably be the reason for

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that that is that is absolutely uh the

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point and the fact that he has uh been

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asked by his closest Ally David Cameron

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to forward this release the fact that

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there's been a huge petition online in

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Britain the fact that four very

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disperate members of parliament have

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gone to America to represent the

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unanimous motion which you will recall

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from March the 17th of the House of

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Commons that he should be cleared for

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transfer the fact that America does not

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choose to uh enact that as rapidly as

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possible is a very significant thorn in

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the side of a relationship which is

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undoubtedly deteriorating and this is an

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issue of importance between America and

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Britain and every day that it is not

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resolved I'm afraid will weaken what is

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a very important relationship for

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Britain okay let me press you if I may

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just one more time on

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this you and I both know uh how politics

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works I can make a request of you and

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really mean it or I can make a request

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of you because people have asked me to

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make that request of you and there's

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almost a wink in my eye which tells you

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that I'm going through the motions here

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is that is that what David Cameron did

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or does he really mean it David Cameron

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has made clear he really means it the

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British Ambassador in Washington who was

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in the meeting has told me personally

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that the position was very clear that

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David Cameron meant it uh all the

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indications The Briefing from the

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foreign office before we went because of

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course George that was the first

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question that we asked uh makes it very

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clear that he means it and the truth is

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that the president could ensure that he

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was released tomorrow because the

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mechanism for doing so is for him to

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instruct his new defense secretary to

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sign the form that goes to Congress and

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triggers a 30-day notice to congress not

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debatable they can't go back on it at

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the end of which he would be released so

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the president can do that and the fact

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that he is choosing perhaps for domestic

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political reasons uh not to do so and to

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place the request of his oldest Ally uh

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beneath those um those domestic

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considerations is a matter of for me who

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has been an admirer of America for many

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years of of deep

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disappointment and for me be Amusement

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now you and David Davis I hate to put

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this responsibility on your shoulders

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but the people watching this will know

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what I mean you and David Davis and a

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few others are all that stands between

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Britain and barbarism you're the only

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conservatives uh who realize that you

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don't you know you can be a capitalist

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you can believe in capitalism but you

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can believe in Liberty too indeed some

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of you would theorize that capitalism is

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Liberty what we have now is a Tory

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majority government that on the security

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agenda on the Human Rights Act and on

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many other things is sending a shiver

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running through the land as to what

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their intentions are you going to save

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us well of course I don't uh agree with

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that George and I would argue indeed

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that it is the reelection of a

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conservative majority government which

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has save Britain from appalling

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barbarism on a number of fronts but on

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the issue of the Liberty agenda this is

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something which runs through both

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parties I mean the worst prime minister

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in living memory I'm afraid on on these

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was Tony Blair who tried to Ram through

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the House of Commons 90 days detention

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without charge which in my view

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interment by by any any other name in my

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view that is a uh a

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barbarism that is appalling and I was

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not thrilled when the first secret trial

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which of course has effectively

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collapsed was launched on the 70th

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anniversary of D-Day so you know there's

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a strand which runs through all

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political parties uh on this matter

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labor I think when they were certainly

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under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown uh was

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uh very illiberal indeed uh David

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blancett a politician who I ad in many

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ways was the most I think most liberal

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Home Secretary we have had in modern

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times um and in the conservative party

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there is a very strong view which I am

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inclined to share that um uh trying to

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withdraw from the European Commission on

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human rights uh convention on human

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rights uh tampering with the um Bill of

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Rights uh unless it is substantively

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better than what we have at the moment

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is a mistake so I mean there will be

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battles in this Parliament uh

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significant battles you've got people

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like it's not just people like David

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Davis who has a clear record on these

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matters um and a very good one it's s

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people like Ken Clark uh the highly

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respected Dominic grieve who was the

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Attorney General before he was dismissed

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by David Cameron uh you know they are

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making the same point and I think that

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this is an opportunity for the House of

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Commons to speak uh on an issue of great

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importance the House of Commons of

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course spoke on Syria I that was to me I

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think it was the wrong decision as a

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matter of fact because I am a muscular

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humanitarian and I believe that

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barbarians who uh kill and murder

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innocent women and children should

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receive the full force of the

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international community's condemnation

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but uh uh the Syria vote which as I say

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I think was wrong was nevertheless an

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example of parliament asserting itself

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against the executive and on some of

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these Liberty issues I fear that

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Parliament may have to do so

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again now David Cameron has a majority

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but it's it's a small one uh you had

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black hair when I first knew you you

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were a whip on the Mast process uh where

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John Major's government had a life of

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hell with a small majority because they

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were always prone to erupting

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rebellions uh you're no longer a whip

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are you expecting David Cameron's

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position to be all powerful or are you

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expecting inside the party knowing that

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he's going before the end of this term

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to be running free I I think that the

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position on Europe and the referendum is

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very different from what happened over

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MRI because there is a clear plan and

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there will be a renegotiation and it

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won't be politicians in what used to be

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called Smoke Filled rooms who make up

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their mind it will be everyone in

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Britain who will have a vote in the

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referendum so uh for me the pressure

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points aren't there uh what of course is

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very important is that when the

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referendum comes Tores should be able to

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campaign freely for what they believe

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and so I think any attemp to try and uh

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stop uh members of the conservative

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party uh having a completely free vote

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in that referendum would be a big

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mistake and I'm sure it's a mistake that

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David Cameron won't make but in general

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I think the European policy now has a

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structure to it and everyone can see

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what that road map is and I think

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there's a very good chance that the

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conservative party will Embrace that

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structure and we will get a conclusion

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once the negotiation uh the

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renegotiation of terms has been uh

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decided so you so you expect no split in

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the party over the referendum I I don't

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I don't I mean there will clearly be

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differences of view on the referendum

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when it comes and people I think will

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take take uh different views on what has

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been uh renegotiated but I don't expect

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the awful period for my party which

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George was referring to when we were

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first in the House of Commons to

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characterize uh what happens over the

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next 18 months or maybe more maybe less

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actually now you were a gamekeeper you

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were the head gamekeeper are you going

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to be a poacher in this Parliament or

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are you uh are you going back inside the

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pale no I'm I shall do what I think is

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in the best interest of my constituents

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but uh I am by Instinct a

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gamekeeper um but where there are issues

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where I think the government's wrong in

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a you know if there are such issues

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which of course I hope there won't be

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but if there are then I shall seek to

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argue on behalf of my constituents but I

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made it very clear to my constituents

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during this general election that I

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regarded issues of Liberty giving

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unnecessary powers to the state over our

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Liberty as very important and I think

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it's something which the whole house of

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common should engage with because the

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state is not some omnipresent all

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knowing all understanding God it is it

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is made up of people like us with our

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foibles and our prejudices and so forth

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and giving the state uh Power uh should

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be done very sparingly by Parliament uh

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and uh maintaining our individual

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liberties particularly in the 800th and

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anniversary of Magna Cara which this

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year is is extremely important Andrew

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Mitchell right honorable thanks for

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joining us on this

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[Music]

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pnik and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rling gu well we

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asked the question what have Tories got

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in store for us in the next 5 years to

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which takes replies DT Abby and Oliver

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Twist meets The Wolf of Wall Street not

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pleasant at all good one though yeah

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that's brilliant very brilliantly put we

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also asked how left is the SNP actually

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indeed to which Ricardo Picasso says

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corporate tax down iniquities health and

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education policies close hospitals and

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schools #

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regressive well it's a very interesting

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point and you and mcll was touching on

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it wasn't he actually the SNP talks left

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and acts right their power that they had

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now two terms with a third one probably

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coming up they haven't raised tax by a

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single penny they are fighting to cut

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business tax they have lost more than

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100,000 uh father education College

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places almost play right yes in practice

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but not in rhetoric yes that's the point

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well that's all that we've got for this

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week which alas means that's the end of

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the show you can stay in touch with us

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on Twitter at rtor Sputnik and on

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Facebook you can like us on Sputnik on

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and from me George Galloway it's been

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marvelous